The PlayFull Podcast

Whether you’re ladling soup at a local shelter or attending a UN Peace Conference, those who devote their lives to the service of others are often exhausted and in need of a little break.

Welcome to the PlayFull Podcast, where host Kristine Michie and her guests bring fun to the serious work of changing the world.

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Best of 2025: Don Howard: California Dreaming of Jobs, Justice, and a Future where Everyone Thrives

In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie speaks with Don Howard, President and CEO of the James Irvine Foundation, about the future of work and the role of philanthropy in an AI-driven economy. Together, they explore how economic empowerment, trust-based giving, and worker inclusion can create more equitable opportunities for low-income communities. Drawing from Don’s journey into philanthropy and his commitment to inclusive leadership, the conversation highlights how empathy, adaptability, and even playfulness can sustain leaders and drive community-led change in a rapidly evolving world.

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Best of 2025: Robert Raben: Prayer, Love & Laughter Inform Good Political Strategy

In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie sits down with longtime policy strategist and justice advocate Robert Raben for a deeply human conversation about sustaining meaningful work in complex times. Together, they explore how humor, faith, strategic clarity, and emotional grounding help leaders navigate cultural and political pushback without losing their joy. Touching on burnout, inclusion, rest, and the power of play, the conversation reframes resilience as a practice rooted in connection, purpose, and principled action.

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Mia and Lauren Sundstrom on Play, Human Flourishing, and Organizational Joy

In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie talks with Mia Sundstrom, CEO of the National Institute for Play (NIFP), and Lauren Sundstrom, NIFP Board Member, about the science, practice, and impact of play. They explore how play is essential not just for individual well-being but for workplaces, education, and societal health. From neuroscience and character development to organizational culture and philanthropy, the conversation reframes play as a foundational human and public health necessity.

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Ken Daigle on Play, Faith, and Unapologetic Manifestation

In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie sits down with spiritual leader, author, and Unity San Francisco Senior Minister Ken Daigle to explore how play, faith, vulnerability, and imagination fuel personal transformation and social change. Drawing from Ken’s journey through Catholicism, queerness, theater, an HIV diagnosis, recovery, and ministry, they examine play as a sacred practice—one that invites discomfort, honest dialogue, and moral imagination. Together, they reflect on interfaith connection, polarization, unapologetic desire, and the courage to imagine lives and systems shaped not by fear or limitation, but by possibility.

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Scot Nakagawa and Zev Mishell: Why Joy Is Essential to Democracy

In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie sits down with activist and strategist Scot Nakagawa and organizer Zev Mishell to explore how joy, play, faith, and ritual sustain people and movements through long struggles for justice. Drawing from decades of organizing, interfaith work, and personal history, they reflect on why burnout is a structural risk, how symbols and embodied practices build belonging, and why faith and politics are never truly separate. Together, they invite listeners to reimagine resistance as not only strategic but cultural and emotional—showing how imagination, care, and playful protest help movements endure, communicate meaning at scale, and keep showing up when the work feels heavy.

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Liberation through Reading & Writing: The Language of Justice with Reginald Dwayne Betts

In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie sits down with poet, lawyer, and MacArthur Fellow Reginald Dwayne Betts to explore how joy, language, and access to stories sustain liberation and resilience in social justice work. Reflecting on his writing, his nonprofit Freedom Reads, and his lived experience, Betts invites listeners to reconsider how beauty, imagination, and serious work coexist—showing how words, books, and thoughtfully designed spaces can reshape systems, nurture hope, and sustain long-term movement building.

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Jenan Mohajir: Building Bridges, Holding Difference, and Finding Joy Together

In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie talks with Jenan Mohajir, an educator, storyteller, and Vice President of External Affairs at Interfaith America, about the beauty and power of pluralism. They explore how local communities become sites of healing, how faith-based service shapes civic leadership, and how trust, humility, and storytelling sustain long-term work for the common good.

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Voting as an Act of Faith with Rev. Naomi Washington‑Leapheart

In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie talks with Rev. Naomi Washington-Leapheart, a Black queer preacher, teacher, and justice advocate, about integrating faith, politics, and joy into social change. They explore how voting and civic engagement can be expressions of faith, how reclaiming spiritual language fuels imagination and action, and how play and creativity sustain resilience in long-term justice work.

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[Rewind] Play is Intrinsic & Essential | Dr. Stuart Brown, National Institute for Play

Join us as Dr. Stuart Brown, often hailed as the father of play, delves into the profound significance of play across human history and its pivotal role in shaping our world, with insights spanning from Aristotle to modern research and practical applications for today's changemakers.

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